as GM - pick different opponents, don't abuse one trick. You could look into that. Neither Magic Missile or Mirror Image work like that. If all three images remain, there is a 1 in 4 chance of hitting you (1 on 1d4). And, as I just proved, this can go both ways. When a wizard decides he wants to Magic Missile you, he's still selecting you as his target. Round three rolls in and now Displacement has effectively removed 1.5 rounds of attacks. Range: 10m. So starting at round 3 for a level 12 combat (which it might never get to) displacement starts outpacing mirror image. I removed a post. Each image is a target for though as far as attacks rolls go which is why attacks rolls are foiled by them. I saw it as Creature A casting Magic Missile at Creature B (who has Mirror Image on them.) AoE and characters with many attacks (two-weapon fighting/archers) can usually deal with it though. Magic Missile was always a good spell to use against Mirror Image as you could aim an individual missile at each image taking out the images. If the attack misses by 5 or less, one of your figments is destroyed by the near miss. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's like saying stone skin is useless because magic missile can bypass it. Ranged Fighter full attacks and eats the remaining 2 images and hits a couple of times. Screw that. Specific parts of a creature canât be singled out. Mirror Images are only destroyed by direct attacks(has attack rolls), not targeted effects. There is only room for debate if you completely ignore what is actually in the text of each ability or spell in question. Cleave requires a hit, and while hit is used in both descriptions, my view of RAI is unless you hit the caster himself, it is a miss when considering feats and abilities (rend for instance). Displacement is a 3rd level spell. How do you/your players run it/deal with it? Mirror Image. "Force" is a spell characteristic which has defined properties. I agree that in melee it works fine i think the thing that is bothering me is could a caster use magic missle to pick out the real target amonst the fakes? This is becoming one of those 'teach the controversy' things isn't it? You can use your action to dismiss the illusory duplicates. These images remain in your space and move with you, mimicking your movements, sounds, and actions exactly.Whenever you are attacked or are the target of a spell that requires an attack roll, there is a possibility that the attack targets one of your images instead.If the attack is a hit, roll randomly to see whether the selected target is real or a figment. It has also been fairly frustrating to deal with, considering there is no save or way to deal with it as a martial except for hacking away. Casting Time 1 standard action
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. This is one reason why wizards are overpowered. Note for players displacement tends to not outpace Mirror Image because many DMs prefer to send players against single target big enemies as opposed to many more moderate enemies. :-p Thanks to all who responded. These figments separate from you and remain in a cluster, each within 5 feet of at least one other figment or you. If you resolve displacement first, and the defender succeeds on the roll to avoid being struck, then the hit didn't happen, and mirror image doesn't do anything. You cannot attack an individual foe more than once during this attack action. 4 thoughts on â Magic Missile VS Mirror Image â Tobius says: Not very logical, when making a physical attack the attacker canât know if he is attacking the person or an illusion. That does up the level 2 mirror image to level 3 displacement, to be fair, plus a few other downsides. All builds on this page have been generously provided with permission by InEffect. That is possibly a good argument. That in my oppion there is room for debate on this subject and I'm belive that it's not so black and white as other believe. Mirror Sight (Ex) A mirror man has no eyes, but is capable of visually perceiving through the use of blindsight, darkvision, and low-light vision. what the heck are you rolling to see "what image was hit"!" Some would also argue that an attacker could close their eyes and then attack, leaving them with only the 50% miss chance from the total concealment due to being blind. School evocation [force]; Level sorcerer/wizard 1. I'll just use burning hands. No. The Magic Missiles can still hit the target of Mirror Image, but it will ONLY hit the actual creature, not the images. The Now either the fighter or barbarian are likely to hit on their charges on round one and the other is likely to miss. Displacement = 3rd level spell. ;). Three illusory duplicates of yourself appear in your space. The enemy mage casts Magic Missile and destroys all of your images, but doesn't hurt you. Scenario 1) You cast Mirror Image. If it is a figment, the figment is destroyed. Roll goes like that: Displacement check => Attack roll => Mirror Image check. Your party is as follows: a two handed Barbarian, a two weapon ranger, a bow Fighter, a wizard, and a cleric. The damage dealt by each missile increases to 2d4+1. Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance yes. It is unaffected by damage reistance or energy resistance, so it actually doesn't fall into either the categories you describe. If it hits and destroys the image, the brute gets to attack an adjacent target. He isn't picking out an image, he's picking you. Can I use magic missile to destroy one or more images from a mirror image spell? It basically bought EA the first round of combat. /thread. With two images â¦ Can I use magic missile to destroy one or more images from a mirror image spell? Cleave and Great Cleave require seperate creatures in seperate adjacent spaces. The enemy mage casts Magic Missile and hits you (but not the images) for 5d4+5 damage. Now Both the ranger and barbarian charge each getting 1 attack almost definitely both hit and odds are both miss due to mirror image now they are most likely down to 2 images. To anyone with a decent concept of priorities, which of the two scenarios is more preferable? Magic missile targets a creature and does not require an attack roll, so it bypasses all the images and always hits the ... Latest Pathfinder products in the Open Gaming Store. Magic missle automatically hits the wizard as the only viable target of the spell. It can also be done by casters who have spells which have multiattack spells like storm of blades, scorching ray, battering blast, or similar spells. Mirror Image. Both mirror image and the miss chance from concealment apply after the attack is otherwise resolved as a hit. Then, the Orc Barbarian proceeds to multi-attack you with his greataxe. My players just learned this in my last session, and were so happy. 2ndâalter self, blindness/deafness (3, DC 16), mirror image 1stâmage armor, magic missile (2), ... Bholes (Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 4 18) consumed their home planet long ago; the survivors fled to other worlds across the universe. Scrying Focus (Su) Mirror men are specifically created to interact with the spell Irriseni mirror sight ( Pathfinder Adventure Path #67 73) in special ways. Dispell magic is a pretty common spell, also anything that sees through illusions or doesn't rely on vision. Magic Missile. So they get to target an adjacent foe. Magic missile requires you to target the creature. Because if the caster could just select the mage who casted mirror image then casting the spell is pointless
Displacement persists until expired dispelled, and has a range of touch, which allows you to use it on allies. And Mirror Image doesn't grant that. This is by far the simplest way to deal with it. Throw some oozes in there. Assuming the cleric does not make an attack roll and does something else round two begins. No. Mirror image is not meant to defend against magic. An attacker must be able to see the figments to be fooled. Ah, but you are wrong when you say that the user of the feat 'Great Cleave' is only targeting the wizard. Then my spell doesn't affect you. Any attack that would hit you has a random chance of hitting one of your images instead of you. You must designate targets before you check for spell resistance or roll damage. Thanx. Duration 1 min./level. Meanwhile, the caster had to take one of his limited spells and more limited actions to raise the mirror image, and has nothing for HP should his defense fall. Aegis of Empires 5: Race for Shataakh-Uulm (Pathfinder â¦ Reminds me of the dum dum bullets in Roger Rabbit. The caster identifies the target "that wizard with the Mirror Image up", and the missiles hit that wizard. School: ?? I think it's a bit of a gray area, in the description of magic missle it states that the caster must designate a target but if there are say 5 indentical images (one being real) then the caster could pick the wrong target. I have to quote this for being the silliest thing I've read in quite some time. Never knew this! Amateur response, but it seems like Magic Missile will strike them no matter what, as long as the original does not have total concealment/cover. They'd all hit the original. Mirror Images are a front loaded protection while Displacement is for more total attacks. You must designate targets â¦ Level 9 - Mystic Theurge 2: Skills - Lore: Religion 1, Perception 1; Feat - Greater Spell Focus [Conjuration]; Sorcerer Spell - Stinking Cloud (3). of Pathfinder: Kingmaker. MonâFri, 10:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Pacific, Hey all. Spells that don't require an attack roll are resolved the same way they'd be if mirror image wasn't up. The biggest thing to remember imo is that attacks that miss by 5 or less destroy an image. This is important to note, as a monster with a lot of attacks or many small creatures can quickly chew through the images. Make a melee touch attack with a weapon you â¦ This is generally done specifically because it is such a powerful spell, but you automatically know that the target has it running as it has obvious visual affects. Sign In; Cart . Second close your eyes, this is if you prefer it to basically function as invisibility as it becomes a 50% miss chance because you count as blinded so you also lose some AC yourself. Duration instantaneous
Game content and materials are trademarks and copyrights of their respective publisher and its licensors. She would have to aim it at one specific image not in the general vicinity. No. Each time a creature targets you with an attack during the spell's â¦ If all three images remain, there is a 1 in 4 chance of hitting you (1 on 1d4). Simple and very easy to read spells are misinterpreted. My magus player is going to be disappointed. Spells like Blur (2), Mirror Image (2), and Displacement (3), and Haste (3) will significantly improve your survivability, while spells like Catâs Grace (2), Shield of Faith (1), and Barkskin (2) will boost your tankâs AC above what their magic â¦ It fulfils that purpose most admiringly. Spells that require a touch attack are harmlessly discharged if used to destroy a figment. Pathfinder: Kingmaker. I think that playing martial class in pathfinder can be frustrating because of many spells and abilities. ... Can I use magic missile to destroy one or more images from a mirror image spell? View Cart; Help; Pathfinder . Pathfinder 1st Edition - Items tagged as "Magic missile" The Pathfinder Roleplaying Game is a fantasy role-playing game (RPG) that was first published in 2009 by Paizo Publishing. Mirror Image doesn't present you with multiple "targets" to attack. If you hit, you deal damage normally and can make an additional attack (using your full base attack bonus) against a foe that is adjacent to the previous foe and also within reach. If they use it a lot you could use it too. Great cleave will not work. It extends and modifies the Revised 3rd edition Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) game rules published by Wizards of the Coast under the Open Game License. Magic Missile can't miss and Snowball has a 1 turn debuff they have to save for #4. Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber, 1 The Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules. After all, it would be easier to cleave from one image (or morlock, or pixie) to another one in the same space, than it would be to cleave into targets in separate but adjacent spaces. He would point to the write up and say "Always hits! Focus on the Champion and bring it down as quickly as possible, after which you can worry about the Prophet. That is a pretty grey area in the rules though. Alter self (canopy troll) equals to 4 attacks per round. It only responds to the heat signature the one true one gives off. If you shoot multiple missiles, you can have them strike a single creature or several creatures. This page was last edited on 4 August 2020, at 07:38. Once we got to the level where that was a thing, she could still full round after flexing, so 25% miss was kind of nothing any baggie with a real AC class wasn't getting anyway. And since Mirror image states that all spells that do not require an attack roll do not pop images, then magic missile (which does not require an attack roll) does not pop an image. That's nothing compared to the case where every area spell will not just fry you, but do away with all your mirror images, so better pray that no spellcaster you ever meet has even the slightest preference for evocation. Yep, Abraham is right. First the two actually stack. Magic Missile isn't a heat-seeker per se, but rather more of a "reality-seeker" in this case. So, I can add Mirror Image to the list of "spells that don't work the way I thought they did". That's correct. It is rare to find a yaddithian less powerful than the wizard above: All Mirror Image does is add a miss chance. Still means you'll only be hit once. There are many images, but only one creature so you can't really hit an image. Mirror image creates 1d4 images plus one image per three caster levels (maximum eight images total). Lets take a look at two sample higher level encounters one where displacement is being run the other where mage armor is being run. Not necessarily. When mirror image is cast, 1d4 images plus one image per three caster levels (maximum eight images â¦ Magic missile hits the caster. When the orc barbarian swings his greataxe at you, he's still selecting you as his target. When mirror image is cast, 1d4 images plus one image per three caster levels (maximum eight images total) are created. Magic Missiles strike a target unerringly without an attack roll. Is the way the rules work totally logical? Reading the text of both spell descriptions, what they both seem to say is, you can hit the "real" creature with as many missiles as you like, but you can't affect any of the figments. Without that, the guy would probably hit you at least twice. Lets assume he maximized this damage even, so you take 25 damage. Components V, S
EDIT: And as said by someone else, all the images appear to have been affected by the spell, but in the case of magic missile, because there are foreign objects flying into the cluster of images, I can see how you might want to argue you can pick out the actual mage. This is also supported by the need for an attack roll as quoted above. The spell is still quite strong, but certainly not the uber defense spell it was assumed to be. Creature B rolls a d20 to see if the Magic Missile is going to hit Creature B or a duplicate of Creature B. Ah but you're missing the point that all the figments and the caster all share the same space and thus are not adjacent to each other. This site is an SRD (System Reference Document) for the Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. -Kle. Worst solution character with many attacks. Mirror Image is a 2nd.
Sell at the Open Gaming Store! On top of that youâll want to make sure everybody is fully healed and buffed as much as possible. Let's be civil, please, even if the topic has been brought up before. You could also use auto hit or aoe attacks. The spell 'mirror image' clearly states, 'Whenever you are attacked or are the target of a spell that requires an attack roll, there is a possibility that the attack targets one of your images instead.' Logic will not always have a place there. Mirror Images flicker in and out of the real mage and it is assumed the real mage isn't standing stock still in a fight. If they wanted it to foil spells also then they would not have made a limitation on attack rolls to be the only way to get rid of them. Third option is targeted Dispel Magic. Also reread the spell to make sure you are running it right. It is as debatable as saying that you are timing your spells to hit the wizard who has blink up. Now you basically don't have to worry. Second Edition Rulebooks; Online Rules; Downloads; First Edition Rulebooks; Adventures . I'd rule that Great Cleave wouldn't work because ultimately, you are still attacking the same foe as the attack that destroyed one of the images. Target you. Mirror Image is a spell in Pathfinder: Kingmaker.. Mirror Image Information. ... Black tentacles for your level four is another good one Snowball and magic missile for level one spells are good. That's a nice house rule, but it doesn't work that way according to the RAW. Casting Time 1 standard action. Then, the Orc Barbarian proceeds to multi-attack you with his greataxe, but he only manages to decapitate your images. My players have been encountering enemies running the spell and they brought to my attention how powerful it is for a 2nd lvl spell. Mirror Image is definitely one of the strongest defensive spells in the game. And if he actually had to roll damage, it would likely be much lower. 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